, a conservative jurisdiction, so this is a very, very important decision. >> and greg abbott, the attorney general, who was also running for governor, issued a statement saying that texas would appeal this decision and ultimately he believed that this was going to end up in front of the u.s. supreme court. the u.s. supreme court has, of course, weighed in on same-sex marriage, but they haven't weighed in full throatedly. do you think this is going to end up at the supreme court? >> yes, i think it will because ultimately the federal courts in other areas will weigh in with different decisions. this is such an important national question that i think ultimately it will wend its way to the supreme court for final resolution. >> if the federal law is becoming more inclusive and the state laws are being struck down, what sort of legal options does that leave opponents of same-sex marriage? are laws like what's being proposed in arizona something of a work-around? >> well, yes, that arizona law i think is a blueprint to try to ban, you know, gay marriage and to permit discrimination against gay people.